We're talking about an astrahaus here though

Like, world's cheapest structure that requires literally no fuel just to exist.

So that both sides have an undeniable opportunity to beat the other in to submission.

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Giving the defender something to attack is giving the defender the ability to just punch that guy in the face, take his gas can, and light him on fire with it.

And that brings us to the great lie of war decs, that being that there is some legitimate reason to war dec another corp,. I hear crazy talk about shutting down a competitors trade routes, restricting or eliminating their ability to source material needed for manufacturing and that list of reasons goes on and on. Because of alt characters, alt corps, NPC corps etc not to mention placing critical resource gathering or manufacturing in low, nul and worm holes a war dec against a well set up and well run industrial corp will never have any significant affect on those corps. In fact the random acts of the gankers and the inhabitants of low, nul and worm holes have a far greater affect than the war dec groups ever wil

I just can't think of a much better way to create that sort of objective imperative. What are the other options? ISK value destroyed? Still prioritizes the people with less assets in space. Some kind of kill count system? Seems like hell to balance/too easy to game.

I mean I'm trying real hard to address the issues with wars without using structures as a basis and I can't come up with anything. I'd love to hear some alternate solutions that don't totally screw over deccers or defenders and create a more equitable system in which pilots at war are more encouraged to shoot each other.

I think it's a great ideal, having real assets tied to a war would definitely create content as people defend their assets and have real consequence for idle war dec's over trivial matters, would make the merc buisness a lot more viable.

You know, some "uber fleets" have been sent packing by eve uni, bunch of t-1's and such, never underestimate even a group of People in noob ships.

You state that wars are fought over POCO's Pos etc and I am sure that there are the extremely rare cases out there where that is actually true, ...

I do know how to use zKill but thank your for the lesson anyway.

And yet this whole aspect of the discussion does not invalidate the things I have stated.

I did not at any point state that structures were not lost to a war dec, I stated that structures are rarely the reason why the war was declared.

As for single player corps... Eve isn't a single player game.

Just allow player corps to opt-out of the war dec system. IGÇÖd suggest putting a 6-month or annual timer on before the corp can elect to change status again. Inactive corporations would lose their status when the timer runs out.

My point is, that a large portion of the EVE player base always has and always will avoid involuntary PVP.

And another large portion insists on harassing them or limiting their access to the game's content to the point where it just isn't fun.

Your information is incomplete and lacks anything that gives it relevance.
Just before I posted this I did a quick count on a randomly selected portion of the war dec list and the extrapolated the result for the entire list and that yields more than 1,100 corps in high sec under war dec this week alone. Because non -scientific and only this week not the entire 11 months so we put in a huge error factor and say somewhere between 600 and 800 corps are under war dec during any given week. So you have 91 structures killed in a week where 600 to 800 corps were under war dec. No matter how you add that up and no matter how you try to spin it the numbers say that structures are a minor factor in the overall war dec picture.

No one here has ever disputed that structures die as a result of war, but then structures dying is not the important thing here. Were those structures the only reason why war was declared? were the structures themselves even a major factor in the decision to declare war? Those are also important facts that we need to consider and your stats simply cannot give us that information.

I do fully support unrestricted access to all features of high sec with the additional protection of opting out of the war dec system.
That is exactly what I propose.

If you want action, great, so do I sometimes, thatGÇÖs when I clone jump to low sec or warp to a WH. -the vast majority of the game still accommodates that.

WeGÇÖve been over this; lot of people here enjoy PVP, just not involuntary PVP.

Just look at the numbers Scipio posted: GÇ£70-80% of all wars end up with no loss at all
That means that 70-80% of the corps who are war deced avoid the war one way or another.

Add to that all the people who are in NPC corps, and youGÇÖll realize that very few people want to play with you. Probably because you're harassing them.

Perhaps your mind remembers what your fingers did not type.
So here is a re-post of the entire relevant portion of your post.

See section above in italics.
I did not mis-understand, and I did not divert into some unrelated area of discussion. In fact you are the one that took us down this path by posting numbers that prove a point no one in this topic has ever disputed, that point being that structures die during war decs.